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Post by Quick on Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:58 pm

This post will probably be deleted before too many people see it, as I will also probably be banned from all of the PSL servers, but I think some things should be known....

I am not a huge part of the soccer community, I know. One thing I hate is immature kids that try to hold all the perceived "power" they believe comes with running something.. like the PSL for example. I have been personally helping a friend get a soccer server up and running so that we can grow our community and help it expand as ALL of you should want. A certain person has an issue with that because then they would not hold dominion over the whole of the servers. Instead it was offered that this person should turn his server into a regular css server for people from the soccer community to play on... Now, I am no rocket scientist, but, there are over a thousand regular css servers out there, and only between 2-4 soccer servers in the U.S. From what I see, someone that truly cared about this community would encourage more servers to be risen to get populated and grow this community....

Done ranting, just think some people should grow up and say "Hey, fuck the soccer community, I want to run everything and let it stay stuck in a rut and not grow.. Just as long as I am the boss". Then I could atleast give them credit for not being fake.

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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Stinger on Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:26 pm

Ill assume im the certain person. You're welcome to use my name as im sure some would agree im power hungry, however I did not say he COULDN'T buy the server. I simply said to him that rather then get a pug server, it may not be the wisest choice to spend his money. As I tried explaining to him (although he does not agree, which is fine), these are the reasons I suggested reg css may be a better choice then soccer :

1. Less activity in PSL servers. We do not have enough players to spread over 2 6v6 pugs, and we already offer the chance to 4v4 while a 6v6 is going, or vice versa. This means you expect us to have more then 24+ players wanting to pug at one time? I doubt it even during prime time. However saying that, that is not a reason to NOT get the server, its just meant to make him realize his money is next to wasted when it comes to the need to pug. And you say about another server to bring people in, but theres already 2 public servers that are rarely ever occupied, let alone full. Adding a 3rd just spreads out players more which isn't a good thing.

2. It makes rule enforcement mean less in the PSL servers. Yes I also tried explaining this as well, but apparently was not clear. I do not mean that we will have completely different rules. I just mean if we gave a player a 24 hour ban, a non-PSL server acts as a safe haven for this player. We unban for matches, so the only thing we are banning them is pugs, which they would just do in the non-PSL server during their ban.

3. We would also be less likely to receive donations. I'm not saying that the new server would receive donations, but I am saying that the money spent for the server could be used as donations to keep our current 4 servers running. But hey, I guess thats not being power hungry right?

4. He said a main reason to get the server was to give admin to players, and allow them to practice using the cannon, including himself. But what you and him may not realize is that we changed our setup this season. We have admins who aren't volunteers meaning we can give it to who we deem responsible, trustworthy, and active. Even if we don't think they deserve full admin, there is still the chance of them receiving just the cannon ability to practice with (currently 4 people have cannon only, so im not just saying this). Lastly, yesterday / today ive been working on changing the mK practice server to be a PSL practice server for everyone. This should be finished sometime tonight and id be willing to give cannon to whoever asks.

Telling people to grow up when you yourself go make a public forum post when you don't even bother talking to the person first, good stuff! Hell, he had even said about me helping you set it up and I didn't even say no to that :/ Ive helped non-PSL servers in the past. I simply suggested to him that a reg css server might be more useful. It was always his choice.
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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Quick on Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:06 pm

Maybe the answer isn't creating a new server, maybe it is just giving more options to what we DO have. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I have sat and watched a 20 minute pug waiting to play when there is a perfectly good 6v6 server that could have a simple map change to enable another 4v4 pug to take place simultaneously.

That being said, I couldn't care less about a cannon, but when I have several people in one of those servers and we are unable to live it, it does cause a problem. I am a 25 yr old man with a wife and two kids, the last thing I want to do is troll some kids on a server, but my time to me is valuable so just the ability for more players to be able to live the pugs and change the maps I believe would be sufficient.

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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Stinger on Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:59 pm

Stinger wrote:1. Less activity in PSL servers. We do not have enough players to spread over 2 6v6 pugs, and we already offer the chance to 4v4 while a 6v6 is going, or vice versa. This means you expect us to have more then 24+ players wanting to pug at one time? I doubt it even during prime time. However saying that, that is not a reason to NOT get the server, its just meant to make him realize his money is next to wasted when it comes to the need to pug. And you say about another server to bring people in, but theres already 2 public servers that are rarely ever occupied, let alone full. Adding a 3rd just spreads out players more which isn't a good thing.

Highly doubtful there would ever be 2 pugs going on at once. As far as options go, there biggest increase in options would be another mod. Not another server with the same mod that would only really give a new option assuming the one server is full already.
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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Quick on Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:08 pm

As of 10:07pm CST-

public server is completely full.

6v6 server is completely full.

I have 4 people currently in the 4v4 server.

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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Stinger on Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:13 am

Thank you for proving my point. That is prime time and we do not even have enough people on for a 6v6 and a 4v4 at the same time, let alone 2 6v6s. Don't post back saying to count the 14 in the pub cause I know most don't even pug.
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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Cosmo on Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:37 am

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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Quick on Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:47 am

Not exactly sure how that proved your point? I will agree with you that most of the people in the pub don't pug and probably never have, but 4 out of 14 people in there??

This thread has gotten convoluded anyway, I didn't say anything about another 6v6 server. Just another soccer server in general no matter how many slots, pub or priv. One that can be lived by someone who hasn't given you sexual favors.

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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Warcat on Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:12 am

I can't even remember the last time someone has complained about not being able to start a PUG. We have several people with soccer admin on the server. I'd say probably around 20 who are all active. And we only really have around 60 active puggers, therefore there is really almost around 4 people with soccer admin in the server at a time on average. Which is pretty accurate imo. And also 90% of the time either Me, Kro, or Stinger are almost always on (if not in-game online) so if you need a PUG started just try messaging one of us. And I'm pretty sure with the other 17 or so people who have soccer admin you must be able to find a single person to start a PUG for you.

Besides go ahead and create your own server if you really want to, nothing is stopping you. But the same as Stinger says, it will most likely just end up being a waste of money considering we already have multiple soccer servers. There's a reason no one has their own soccer server for more than a month (with the exclusion of scrubz/lukens and meh/arc's server, seeing how those were pretty much equivalents of the 4v4 server).
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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Stinger on Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:45 am

Quick seems to be upset for a reason that has not been listed! NovaCat himself doesn't even mind a reg css server instead and has told me he doesn't feel I forced his decision. Perhaps Quick had a bad experience with PSL personally and has a grudge? Who knows, but I doubt the real reason is to help the community grow when he himself admits he is not a big part of the community. I also doubt it was the craving to set up your own server because you find scripting / modding enjoyable? So that leaves wanting admin and/or avoiding a direct issue with PSL? I mean you thought you were going to be banned from the PSL and this post would be deleted simply because you're upset? Damn, sure seems like something gave you a bad view towards the PSL prior to this.

Lots of assuming I know, but I'm fine with assuming stuff about you since this topic only started because you assumed stuff about me. Its really quite sad that you attacked the way you did - A simple chat on steam and we couldve just talked things over and made sure we all understood each other. If you want we can still try, but ill leave that up to you (I would also like to know your issue with the PSL, as it could help us make the league better).

P.S. I only used 2 6v6 servers in my example because that is what NovaCat had said he was interested in. If I'm mistaken it makes even less sense to get the server IMO because PSL could already have 2 4v4s going on at once technically (LOs could change the map on the 6v6 server to indoor), the only thing we cannot achieve is 2 6v6s at once.
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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Quick on Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:00 am

Stinger wrote:Quick seems to be upset for a reason that has not been listed! NovaCat himself doesn't even mind a reg css server instead and has told me he doesn't feel I forced his decision. Perhaps Quick had a bad experience with PSL personally and has a grudge? Who knows, but I doubt the real reason is to help the community grow when he himself admits he is not a big part of the community. I also doubt it was the craving to set up your own server because you find scripting / modding enjoyable? So that leaves wanting admin and/or avoiding a direct issue with PSL? I mean you thought you were going to be banned from the PSL and this post would be deleted simply because you're upset? Damn, sure seems like something gave you a bad view towards the PSL prior to this.

Lots of assuming I know, but I'm fine with assuming stuff about you since this topic only started because you assumed stuff about me. Its really quite sad that you attacked the way you did - A simple chat on steam and we couldve just talked things over and made sure we all understood each other. If you want we can still try, but ill leave that up to you (I would also like to know your issue with the PSL, as it could help us make the league better)



Even if this WERE true, it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread or the topics I brought up. In all honesty, I have nothing against PSL, never have. As far as wanting admin, I couldn't care less about it. I turned it down when the Fate server was up. As I stated previously, I hate power hungry little kids and am not one myself. If I have wrongfully attacked you, then I do apologize. After recieving a steam message saying you didn't want another soccer server because it would lower the donations, it frustrated me. I was trying to look at improving everything as a whole.

You have never been a dick to me and this probably wasn't the best place to impulsively display what I was thinking. Even more so because I apparently didn't have facts. Sorry again for the flame war.

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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Pride on Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:56 am

wtf cosmo is alive? get ur ass in steam so we can play mc. we already got 100 bucks without u. lol jk

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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Dill on Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:41 pm

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Re: Soccer Community

Post by Nad on Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:28 pm

You're arguing with a bunch of Dill's just step down, buy your server, and have fun. Best way is through experimentation.

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